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PostSubject: Types of simple flutes   Thu May 22, 2008 9:12 am

I don't want to be the guy who decides what a simple flute is, beyond stating that I don't believe it has moving parts. I am not firmly decided on even that.

So please feel free to reply to this as to what you believe the term defines, and we can talk about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Thu May 22, 2008 9:56 am

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I don't want to be the guy who decides what a simple flute is, beyond stating that I don't believe it has moving parts. I am not firmly decided on even that.

So please feel free to reply to this as to what you believe the term defines, and we can talk about it.

"No moving parts" I think that was a exellent definition!
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Thu May 22, 2008 11:59 am

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"No moving parts" I think that was a exellent definition!
Well, that could be one end of the bracket of definitions, but are there more boundaries? Maybe fipples?
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Thu May 22, 2008 7:02 pm

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forsyte wrote:

"No moving parts" I think that was a exellent definition!
Well, that could be one end of the bracket of definitions, but are there more boundaries? Maybe fipples?

Fipples sounds like a great idea.
I´ve had start growing interest for Shakuhachi lately.
I´ve never tryed any, but they doesn´t seems that difficult to build though.
There might be some language problem with this guy (me). Embarassed
But what the heck, as you guys use to say over there :-)
Bill.. This place start looking good, impressing, that fast..
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Thu May 22, 2008 9:44 pm

forsyte wrote:

There might be some language problem with this guy (me).
Well, this probably will be an english board, but you are certainly better at English than I am with the other languages I know. I know enough Japanese to order a meal and find my way around town, and enough Chinese to insult my host accidentally and order a bowl of "automobile clock soup".

So as of now we are talking about Flutes with no moving parts, and barring dissent, without fipples.

That leaves many flutes and other pipes, from fifes and Irish Flutes to Kavals and Neys to Pan Pipes, Xun and reed flutes. Quite an historic and fun arrangement.
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Fri May 23, 2008 6:04 am

That leaves many flutes and other pipes, from fifes and Irish Flutes to Kavals and Neys to Pan Pipes, Xun and reed flutes. Quite an historic and fun arrangement.[/quote]

Once I made a combination of a normal pvc flute and a ney (tuned in G)
I cut/chop the flute below the blowhole (just like a classical flute) then I used a (what ever that is called),
but you can see a picture of what I mean at this url:
http://www.vvsguiden.se/catalog/img.asp?iconId=3355&nodeType=1
to connect them.
I made the mouthpiece part sharp on the ney side and smooth on the other side.
The funny thing was that I could use it as a “trumpet”, if I turned the ney mouthpiece the other way around. The” trumpet” sounded “special” affraid a timbre similar of.. farting, LOL. And of course rather difficult keeping in tune, but it was quit fun to have three instruments in one. Multi-instrument could that become a topic ;-)

Ps. I had two mouthpieces, one flute and one ney/”trumpet”.
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Fri May 23, 2008 8:52 am

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Once I made a combination of a normal pvc flute and a ney (tuned in G)
That sounds very much like what I usually make, a kind of a kaval with a fife tuning in D.

Your piece is called a "coupler" or "Coupling" in English. Used to connect two pieces of pipe.

My pipes would be like you cut a flute right at the emboucher, then blow across the cut edge. I make them out of both PVC (for models and practice) and ceramic (for art)

I am very interested in the ancestral pipes and music from your general area, including Sami and Norse traditions, do you have any information about that?
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Fri May 23, 2008 10:42 am

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Your piece is called a "coupler" or "Coupling" in English. Used to connect two pieces of pipe.

I am very interested in the ancestral pipes and music from your general area, including Sami and Norse traditions, do you have any information about that?

Thanks for enrich my vocabulary. Unfortunatly I havn´t much to tell about ancient pipes and stuff like that.
I work as a repairman for school instrument, woodwind/brass/bow, etc.
Thats one of the reasons I fancy instruments with "no moving parts".
Kids can really mess up objects with "moving parts" Sad

Those ceramic instrument you make really looks nice. My compliments!
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Fri May 23, 2008 12:05 pm

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I work as a repairman for school instrument, woodwind/brass/bow, etc.
That sounds like it could be fun.

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Those ceramic instrument you make really looks nice. My compliments!
Thanks, I haven't made one this year yet, but I am working on a few, getting close to firing up the kiln.

I was thinking that we might start by dividing instruments up by the general area of it's origin. I don't know if that's a good idea or not, but it suggests a starting point.
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Fri May 23, 2008 3:31 pm

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I was thinking that we might start by dividing instruments up by the general area of it's origin. I don't know if that's a good idea or not, but it suggests a starting point.

There is not much for me to contribute there.
Actually, I´m not sure there is much I can contribute at all..
I´m just a self-taught amateur. But I think your initiative is great.

I think you had something going on in:
"Suggestions for sub-forums solicited."
Bamboo pipes
Pan pipes
Reed pipes
Simple Irish flutes
PVC pipes

Maybe Didgeridoos could be a topic?
It´s a hollow tube without doubt Wink

And of course there is A LOT on the net, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Woodwind_instruments
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Fri May 23, 2008 10:16 pm

forsyte wrote:

There is not much for me to contribute there.
Actually, I´m not sure there is much I can contribute at all..
I´m just a self-taught amateur.
That makes two of us.

Oh, this is me in my less formal incarnation.

I have only been making and playing flutes and ocarinas for about two years. I learned to play the piano and guitar as a teen, but now, as an old guy, I finally have time to really learn music.

My knowledge of Flutes comes from making them and playing them and one book on Musical Acoustics by Benade.

I put up a few simple categories and will probably make more divisions later if they seem needed. Or wipe it out and start over if someone comes up with a better idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Types of simple flutes   Mon May 26, 2008 5:12 pm

My 2 cents worth. This site is specifically for the "Amateur". Most people make flutes for fun. There are plenty of sites for the "Pro's", I hope this site won't become one...

I think "area of origin" would have overlapping posts. Irish and German Cross flutes are basically the same. I suggest separation by acoustic design. 1)Open bore instruments with common embouchure, like cross flutes,Duct flutes and Quenas. 2) Closed bore flutes , like Pan Flutes and Ocarina types. 3)Flutes with unusual voicings/embouchures and designs like a Central Embouchure Flute. Maybe a slightly off-topic section for simple Reed pipes, like the Zummara or Shepherds pipes?

I also suggest a review section on Craft Manuals and Books(?) Many have good and bad points. This information is the "Soul" of simple instrument making.
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